those included china, brazil, india, and russia. we also arrested in positioning the federal government. as you just indicated, that's starting to pay off for us. there some really positive news and we're trying to expand our global footprint. if you think about it, most of the capital expenditures in the world, two-thirds are outside of north america. north america is extremely important but we should expand beyond that. >> i don't think the analysts got it. he is a smart guy. >> i agree. >> he is good. known him for 30 years. but nortel, their demise has to be in your sweet spot. even though a lot of it is business, their business competes against you is kind of in flux. isn't it? >> absolutely. in fact, part of our growth products, in fact, this past quarter, our optical networking products had the biggest growth ever as well. we actually compete against nortel. and we're winning new customers around the world. >> now, can you give me a sense on if i am a verizon or at&t or if i'm a cable company, why i need you to win the war, t